Wrong distro detected?

Hi Pedro,

Post by Pedro Lino
Hi all
I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 32-bit but when I click on http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
I am offered the Linux 32bit RPM.

You are using Chrome?

Regards,
Â Â Matthias

Post by Pedro Lino
Can someone verify/fix this?
Regards,
Pedro

Pedro Lino

2018-09-01 20:36:18 UTC

Post by Matthias Seidel
You are using Chrome?

No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

Matthias Seidel

2018-09-01 20:44:53 UTC

Post by Matthias Seidel
You are using Chrome?

No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

Can you post your User Agent?
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/

Firefox on my system (Ubuntu 16.94) has:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0

It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.

Regards,
Â Â Matthias

Pedro Lino

2018-09-01 21:00:23 UTC

Post by Matthias Seidel
Can you post your User Agent?
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.

Interesting... There is no distro ID

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

So this seems like a Mozilla bug then?

Matthias Seidel

2018-09-01 21:08:17 UTC

Interesting... There is no distro ID
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
So this seems like a Mozilla bug then?

I wouldn't call it a bug... Same problem with Chrome.

Canonical just adds "Ubuntu" to the User Agent in their version of Firefox.

Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-01 21:15:04 UTC

On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:44:53 +0200

Post by Matthias Seidel
You are using Chrome?

No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

Can you post your User Agent?
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.
Regards,
Matthias

I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit. Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)

My User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44

On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)

On that machine User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0

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Pedro Lino

2018-09-01 21:59:32 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit. Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
My User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
On that machine User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0

Thank you for the feedback Rory!
That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
Does that make sense?
In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)

Regards,
Pedro

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Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-02 06:51:37 UTC

On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)

It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.

This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.

If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.

Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-02 07:58:56 UTC

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)

It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.

I should say that on the en-Forum we have had a small number of cases recently of (new?) linux users downloadiung the wrong (RPM or tar.gz instead of DEB) OpenOffice version. We had put this down to unfamiliarity on the User's part, but it may have been an early indication of this problem. After detailed enquiries we were able to redirect them to the correct OO version, but it would be best if the problem could be solved so that the version choice was automatic (as it used be).

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Matthias Seidel

2018-09-02 08:16:13 UTC

Hi Rory,

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)

It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.

As it used to be?

The logic for downloads is in here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/download/download.js

It has "always" been this way, but maybe we can now find a way to
enhance the detection?

Regards,
Â Â Matthias

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Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-02 11:25:36 UTC

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:16:13 +0200

Post by Matthias Seidel
Hi Rory,

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)

It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.

As it used to be?

I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

Rory

Post by Matthias Seidel
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/download/download.js
It has "always" been this way, but maybe we can now find a way to
enhance the detection?
Regards,
Matthias

Post by Rory O'Farrell
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Pedro Lino

2018-09-02 11:41:34 UTC

Hi Rory, all

Post by Rory O'Farrell

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
On that machine User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0

I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

The Firefox version that is included in Ubuntu is the current branch of Firefox (61.0) slightly modified by Ubuntu (that is why it has the additional Ubuntu info).
The version I'm using (and is included in Debian) is the ESR a more conservative branch that is available from Mozilla (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/)
If you install the standard Firefox from Mozilla (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/) I assume it will no longer report Ubuntu...

Curiously, the previous link offers me the right DEBS so we (AOO) we need to find out how Mozilla does it... Anyone with an RPM based distro to test this?

Regards,
Pedro

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Pedro Lino

2018-09-02 12:28:18 UTC

Actually that was not correct.
Mozilla provides the tar.bz2 when it detects Linux...
Ah, well...

Post by Pedro Lino
Curiously, the previous link offers me the right DEBS so we (AOO) we need to find out how Mozilla does it... Anyone with an RPM based distro to test this?

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toki

2018-09-04 04:02:47 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

Ubuntu adds their own special sauce, that, as is usual for those that
compile distros, completely, utterly, and absolutely breaks the program.

jonathon

Marcus

2018-09-02 08:06:35 UTC

Post by Matthias Seidel
You are using Chrome?

No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

when you have problems with the download please have a look here:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

With that information it's easier to analyze such problems.

Thanks

Marcus

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Pedro Lino

2018-09-02 08:42:46 UTC

Hi Marcus

Post by Marcus
https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

That is an useful tool (maybe the link to it should be "Report download problems" instead of "Report broken link")

Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)

Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?

Problem description Exchange this text to describe the problem

(What does not work? What do you expect?)
Browser variables Values
navigator.appCodeName Mozilla
navigator.appName Netscape
navigator.appVersion 5.0 (X11)
navigator.platform Linux x86_64
navigator.oscpu Linux x86_64
navigator.cpuClass undefined
navigator.product Gecko
navigator.productSub 20100101
navigator.vendor
navigator.vendorSub
navigator.language en-US
navigator.browserLanguage undefined
navigator.userLanguage undefined
navigator.systemLanguage undefined
navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
Debian / Ubuntu / IceWeasel ? No / No / No
Stable Release
JavaScript functions/variables Values
Language ISO code en-US
Language ISO code (from select box) en-US
Release matrix platform position (full) 3
Release matrix platform position (lp) 4
Release matrix platform array data y,154
Release matrix language array data en-US,English (US),English (US),y,download/index.html
UI platform name Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM)
UI platform name (not supported)
Platform (short) lnx64r
URL platform name (full) Linux_x86-64_install-rpm
URL platform name (lp) Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm
URL platform name (from select box) lnx64r
Version (from select box) 4.1.5
File name (full) Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
File name (lp) Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
File extension .tar.gz
File size (full) (MByte) 154
File size (lp) (MByte) 18
Release info Milestone AOO415m1 | Build ID 9789 | SVN r1817496 | Released 2017-12-30
Download file link (full) https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download
Download file link (lp) https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download
Checksum file link (full) (here for MD5) https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz.md5
Checksum file link (lp) (here for MD5) https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz.md5
Base URL to Sourceforge.net https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/
Base URL to Apache Archive https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5
getLinkSelection() (download URL) undefined
isLanguageSupported() (true/false) ? true
Show the sub-box (true/false) ? true
General error (true/false) ? false

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Matthias Seidel

2018-09-02 08:49:56 UTC

Hi Pedro,

Post by Pedro Lino
Hi Marcus

Post by Marcus
https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

No problem on my side.

Post by Pedro Lino
Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?

No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

Regards,
Â Â Matthias

Post by Pedro Lino
Problem description Exchange this text to describe the problem
(What does not work? What do you expect?)
Browser variables Values
navigator.appCodeName Mozilla
navigator.appName Netscape
navigator.appVersion 5.0 (X11)
navigator.platform Linux x86_64
navigator.oscpu Linux x86_64
navigator.cpuClass undefined
navigator.product Gecko
navigator.productSub 20100101
navigator.vendor
navigator.vendorSub
navigator.language en-US
navigator.browserLanguage undefined
navigator.userLanguage undefined
navigator.systemLanguage undefined
navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
Debian / Ubuntu / IceWeasel ? No / No / No
Stable Release
JavaScript functions/variables Values
Language ISO code en-US
Language ISO code (from select box) en-US
Release matrix platform position (full) 3
Release matrix platform position (lp) 4
Release matrix platform array data y,154
Release matrix language array data en-US,English (US),English (US),y,download/index.html
UI platform name Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM)
UI platform name (not supported)
Platform (short) lnx64r
URL platform name (full) Linux_x86-64_install-rpm
URL platform name (lp) Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm
URL platform name (from select box) lnx64r
Version (from select box) 4.1.5
File name (full) Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
File name (lp) Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz
File extension .tar.gz
File size (full) (MByte) 154
File size (lp) (MByte) 18
Release info Milestone AOO415m1 | Build ID 9789 | SVN r1817496 | Released 2017-12-30
Download file link (full) https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download
Download file link (lp) https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz/download
Checksum file link (full) (here for MD5) https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_en-US.tar.gz.md5
Checksum file link (lp) (here for MD5) https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5/binaries/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.5_Linux_x86-64_langpack-rpm_en-US.tar.gz.md5
Base URL to Sourceforge.net https://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.1.5/binaries/
Base URL to Apache Archive https://archive.apache.org/dist/openoffice/4.1.5
getLinkSelection() (download URL) undefined
isLanguageSupported() (true/false) ? true
Show the sub-box (true/false) ? true
General error (true/false) ? false
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Pedro Lino

2018-09-02 09:11:17 UTC

Post by Pedro Lino
Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain

Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)

So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.

Any ideas?

Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

Marcus

2018-09-02 09:28:24 UTC

Post by Pedro Lino
Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain

Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
Any ideas?
Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

sure, that's possible. Howcer, I would like to avaoid to add an
additional thing that the users have to select befor they can get the
download.

So, as long as the complains - especially in the forums - do not
increase dramatically I would prefer to keep it like it is.

My 2 ct.

Marcus

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Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-02 11:27:04 UTC

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:28:24 +0200

Post by Pedro Lino
Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain

Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
Any ideas?
Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

I have circulated a warning note to Forum volunteers, so that all are aware of the problem and now know to draw attention of those affected to the correct download for their distro.

Marcus

2018-09-02 18:54:43 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:28:24 +0200

Post by Pedro Lino
Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain

Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
Any ideas?
Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

I have circulated a warning note to Forum volunteers, so that all are aware of the problem and now know to draw attention of those affected to the correct download for their distro.

great, thanks for the note.

Marcus

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Andrea Pescetti

2018-09-02 20:34:56 UTC

Post by Pedro Lino
So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.

All we have is the user agent. And a user agent like your example:

"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"

bears no indication of the distribution, so the user will get the
default (which happens to be RPM... but as Marcus noted, changing the
default won't help).

Post by Pedro Lino
Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro?

I think at a point in time we used to have something like "for Ubuntu,
Debian..." as text accompanying the DEB downloads and "for Fedora, Red
Hat, CentOS, OpenSUSE" for the RPM downloads.

When we detect "Linux", we could display these short instructions on the
page, between the drop-downs and the buttons. But only if Marcus feels
confident to implement it!

Regards,
Andrea.

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Rory O'Farrell

2018-09-02 20:42:13 UTC

On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 22:34:56 +0200

Post by Andrea Pescetti

Post by Pedro Lino
So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.

"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"
bears no indication of the distribution, so the user will get the
default (which happens to be RPM... but as Marcus noted, changing the
default won't help).

Post by Pedro Lino
Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro?

It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S

will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.

I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

Pedro Lino

2018-09-02 21:20:39 UTC

Hi Rory, all

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)

The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android is detected so the mechanism is already there)

Regards,
Pedro

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Marcus

2018-09-05 19:37:28 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed worth
to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with the
download scripting.

Thanks for suggesting, also to Andrea. ;-)

Marcus

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Matthias Seidel

2018-09-06 15:37:07 UTC

Hi Marcus,

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)
Â

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)

Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

Regards,
Â Â Matthias

Post by Marcus
Thanks for suggesting, also to Andrea. ;-)
Marcus
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2018-09-06 20:06:07 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

yes, I know.

However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:

If version == 4.1.5 or older,
then offer a link with the MD5 file.

If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
then do not offer a link .

I've to check how and where to insert this version check.

But let's see ;-)

Thanks for the hint.

Marcus

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2018-09-10 20:32:29 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

yes, I know.
If version == 4.1.5 or older,
then offer a link with the MD5 file.
If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
then do not offer a link .
I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
But let's see ;-)
Thanks for the hint.

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Marcus

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Matthias Seidel

2018-09-10 21:10:35 UTC

Hi Marcus,

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Matthias

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Marcus

2018-09-10 21:19:39 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.

Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process? As
long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if so,
it's very easy to add it.

Marcus

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Matthias Seidel

2018-09-10 21:29:46 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other
commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
have a scripts for it:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

Matthias

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Marcus

2018-09-10 21:52:01 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.

Marcus

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Marcus

2018-10-14 15:32:34 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.

after the CMS is working again, I've now committed (but not yet
published !) my changes to ask for feeback:

1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values
are still offered but no longer for newer versions.

2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to
choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in
which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.

Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?

Thanks

Marcus

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Marcus

2018-10-16 22:16:45 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)
Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.

after the CMS is working again, I've now committed (but not yet
1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values
are still offered but no longer for newer versions.
2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to
choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in
which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.
Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?

Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more
feedback from others.

Thanks

Marcus

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Pedro Lino

2018-10-17 08:23:24 UTC

Hi Marcus, all

Post by Marcus
1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values
are still offered but no longer for newer versions.
2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to
choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in
which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.
Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?

Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more
feedback from others.

Yes, that would be an improvement.

I still think that offering DEB by default would be the best option.

Even if some people don't like it, Ubuntu and Debian based distros are the most widely used Linux desktop OSes (lacking a better statistical source, Distrowatch top distros show this for years)

Regards,
Pedro

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Marcus

2018-10-17 19:13:52 UTC

Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more
feedback from others.

OK, a suggestion:

Let's do the 4.1.6 release and look closely for such comments. When
there are many comments that DEB would be the better default then we
should change it.

Marcus

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Pedro Lino

2018-10-17 19:31:42 UTC

Hi Marcus, all

Post by Marcus
Let's do the 4.1.6 release and look closely for such comments. When
there are many comments that DEB would be the better default then we
should change it.

Sounds like a good plan! Thanks!

Regards
Pedro

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Marcus

2018-09-10 20:00:19 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
do so of which I am not aware.

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)

Post by Rory O'Farrell
I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed worth
to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with the
download scripting.

as the CMS current not working I cannot commit something to show you for
testing. Therefore a little dry test:

When choosing RPM or DEB a little text is show with the following content:

"RPM is used in:
CentOS, Fedora, Mageia, Mandriva, MeeGo, openSUSE, Oracle Linux,
PCLinuxOS, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Sailfish OS, Scientific Linux, SUSE
Linux Enterprise Server

DEB is used in:
Debian, Kanotix, Knoppix, Kubuntu, Linux Mint, Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu"

Please have a look if something is wrong or could be added.

Thanks

Marcus

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toki

2018-09-04 04:32:24 UTC

Post by Rory O'Farrell
It may be useful to know that the terminal command
inxi -S

Might need to emphasize that that is the majuscle S, not minuscle s.

Post by Rory O'Farrell
will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.

inxi -r gives repository type

jonathon

toki

2018-09-04 04:26:01 UTC

Post by Pedro Lino
Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)

Using Pale Moon 27.9.3 with English (Canada) as the UI language.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_3;
rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me
OSX > 10.7 English US DMG.

Using Firefox ESR, on the same system.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me the
Linux 64 Bit RPM English (US) 4.1.5

Using Midori 0.5.1 on the same system.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux) AppleWebKit/538.15 (KHTML,
like Gecko) Chrome/46.0.2490.86 Safari/538.15 Midori/0.5"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me the
Linux 64 Bit RPM English (US) 4.1.5

FWIW, I use a 64 bit Linux distro that falsely claims to not use
SystemD. (Falsely becuase right now SystemD is using 50% CPU and 250 MB
RAM.)

jonathon

Marcus

2018-09-02 08:57:04 UTC